ForCES IETF 78 Meeting (Tuesday Wed 27, 2010)
chair: Jamal Hadi Salim 
minutes: Evangelos Haleplidis

The agenda was very loaded.
Slides are available online.
Slides link: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/78/materials.html#wg-forces

Overall this was one of the most lively meetings in recent times.

WG status:
-There is errata for Protocol and Model
After this meeting Jamal plans to update RFC errata.
-Documents to be published: Applicability statement and Implementation Report.
IESG review in Mid-August.
-There are 2 more important documents that we need to complete 
LFBLib draft and CE HA draft.
- The chair proposed shutting down the WG after these two docs complete.

The chair gave priority to Joel Halpern and Weiming Wang's presentations 
because a consensus on LFBLib is required for the next milestone for the WG.

Joel Halpern presentation on Ethernet port Evolution
Joel talked about need to get the ethernet port abstraction right.
- Introduce a PHY and MACin/out LFB abstractions.
- Need to separate bridging information out
- Introduce Ethertype demux as well as VLAN info
- lower level details of all these LFBs to be ironed out later`

There is consensus that a few things need to be ironed out.

Weiming Wang: On update of FoCES LFB Library Draft

Weiming presented updates since last draft release.
- There has been a lot of background discussion amongst authors
in the trying to reach some agreement.
When some consensus is reached there is intent to publish a new
draft version likely in the next few weeks.
- There were a lot of comments from Joel Halpern, Steve Padget and
Jamal on Weiming's slides in regards to what needs to be separated
from ethernet level to PHY label. Clear consensus we need a PHY LFB.
- There were other discussions on ARP and the relation with LPM and
IP addresses etc
- There was question whether we want to make LFBLib proposed standard.
The overall feeling was "yes". Adrian Farrel, routing AD, asked
if the modeling of the LFBs will affect the wire format. The answer
was "yes". Adrian pointed that then this is a good reason to make the
LFBlib a proposed standard. So the current plan of action is to move
LFBlib to proposed standard
- The chair asked the authors to meet offline during IETF78 to try
and resolve some of the differences so we can move faster on publishing
the doc. 

Kentaro Ogawa: CEHA drafts

- Kentaro presented on the changes since last draft.
- Incorporated feedback from last meeting.
Strong sentiment for the CEHA effort try and leave CECE plane off for now. 
Attack CEHA perspective. 
- Current scheme is Cold Standby.
- Kentaro articulated the different delta times that are important
in a failover of one CE to the other.
- Suggestions to make changes to move to Hot Standby by Associating
to multiple CEs.
- Joel expressed strong reservation about a single FE receiving commands
from multiple CEs. He felt it would complicate things with need for
locks etc. Steve Padgett felt it may be useful for FEs to send events to
all CEs. 
- There was long discussion on CECE and whether ForCES could be used
on that plane. Joels felt it was not appropriate. There was a back and
forth with Jamal; consensus to leave out CECE from this draft.
- Kentaro asked if this draft could be a WG document. Chair probed the
meeting and there was consensus it should be a WG item. Jamal to send
email to list to finalize this.

Evangelos Haleplidis: Implementation Experiences
-Evangelos presented update since last draft
-he showed some architecture layout of implementing the packet hierachy
-chair asked AD if he is willing to sponsor the document as individual
submission. AD needs to read it before deciding.
- Evangelos asked for people to give him feedback.
- He will make a new publication with minor updates which is going to
be pushed for publication. 

Meeting adjourned