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Minutes of the IESG Teleconferences

    INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
    Minutes of the July 10, 2003 IESG Teleconference

    Reported by: Amy Vezza, IETF Secretariat

    ATTENDEES
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    Harald Alvestrand / Cisco
    Rob Austein / IAB Liaison
    Steve Bellovin / AT&T
    Randy Bush / IIJ
    Leslie Daigle / Verisign (IAB)
    Bill Fenner / AT&T
    Ned Freed / Sun Microsystems
    Barbara Fuller / IETF Secretariat
    Ted Hardie / Qualcomm, Inc.
    Russ Housley / Vigil Security, LLC
    Allison Mankin / Bell Labs, Lucent
    Thomas Narten / IBM
    Erik Nordmark / Sun
    Jon Peterson / NeuStar, Inc.
    Dinara Suleymanova / IETF Secretariat
    Amy Vezza / IETF Secretariat
    Bert Wijnen / Lucent
    Alex Zinin / Alcatel

    REGRETS
    ------------
    Marcia Beaulieu / IETF Secretariat
    Michelle Cotton / ICANN
    Jacqueline Hargest / IETF Secretariat
    Joyce K. Reynolds / ISI (RFC Editor)

    MINUTES
    ---------------

    1. Administrivia
    1.1 Approval of the Minutes

    The minutes of the June 26, 2003 Teleconference were approved
    pending removal of the "Web notes." The Secretariat will place
    the minutes in the public archives.

    1.2 Review of Action Items

    DONE:

    o Harald Alvestrand to talk to RFC Editor about independent
    submissions.
    o Thomas Narten to coordinate and send comments on minutes
    to the Secretariat. IESG to review the format of the minutes
    and propose changes to improve readability and communication
    to the outside world.
    o Steve Bellovin to make proposal to discuss "problem" at the
    Sunday IESG meeting in Vienna.
    o Thomas Narten to write up issue with references in
    draft-dasilva-l2tp-relaysvc-06.txt and start discussion in
    IESG list.

    DELETED:

    NONE

    IN PROGRESS:

    o Allison Mankin to review draft-agrawal-sip-h323-interworking-reqs and send
    decision to IESG.
    o Bert Wijnen to document process of how the IESG goes about asking architectural
    questions of the IAB.
    o Thomas Narten to write (or cause to be written) a draft on "how to get to
    Draft."
    o Thomas Narten to contact Cablelabs to discuss formal relationship with IAB.
    o Steve Bellovin to write RFC re: TCP MD5 option.
    o Randy Bush and Ned Freed to finish ID on Clarifying when Standards Track Documents
    may Refer Normatively to Documents at a Lower Level.
    o Alex Zinin to send proposal and justification for interim document review.
    o Steve Bellovin to propose a different document classification than the current
    info/proposed/etc.
    o Alex Zinin to phrase a question to RTG and OPS Area Directorates and IAB
    on PPVPN issue. Alex to summarize the results as a proposed IESG consensus
    regarding the PPVPN issue to be given to the PPVPN working group.

    NEW:

    o Ted Hardie to send the Secretariat a message to forward to the RFC Editor
    indicating that the Do Not Publish note that was originally created for
    draft-paskin-doi-uri-03.txt also applies to draft-paskin-doi-uri-04.txt.

    2. Protocol Actions
    2.1 WG Submissions
    2.1.1 New Item

    o draft-ietf-atommib-atm2-19.txt - 1 of 10
    Definitions of Supplemental Managed Objects for ATM Interface (Proposed
    Standard)
    Token: Nordmark, Erik

    The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to be
    prepared by Erik Nordmark. The Secretariat will send a working group
    submission Protocol Action Announcement that includes the RFC Editor Note.

    o draft-ietf-policy-qos-device-info-model-10.txt - 2 of 10
    Information Model for Describing Network Device QoS Datapath Mechanisms
    (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Wijnen, Bert

    The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
    points raised by Allison Mankin.*

    o draft-ietf-policy-qos-info-model-05.txt - 3 of 10
    Policy QoS Information Model (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Wijnen, Bert

    The document was deferred to the next teleconference by Steve Bellovin.
    The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
    points raised by Russ Housley.*

    o draft-ietf-sip-sctp-03.txt - 4 of 10
    The Stream Control Transmission Protocol as a Transport for for the
    Session Initiation Protocol (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Mankin, Allison

    The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
    points raised by Steve Bellovin, Ned Freed, and Ted Hardie.*

    o Set of two documents - 5 of 10
    - draft-ietf-ips-fcip-slp-07.txt
    Finding FCIP Entities Using SLPv2 (Proposed Standard)
    - draft-ietf-ips-isci-slp-06.txt
    Finding iSCSI Targets and Name Servers Using SLP (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Mankin, Allison

    The documents were deferred to the next teleconference by Thomas Narten.
    The documents remain under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
    points raised by Steve Bellovin and Ted Hardie.*

    o draft-ietf-sipping-3pcc-04.txt - 6 of 10
    Best Current Practices for Third Party Call Control in the Session
    Initiation Protocol (BCP)
    Token: Mankin, Allison

    The document was deferred to the next teleconference by Steve Bellovin.
    The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
    points raised by Russ Housley and Erik Nordmark.*

    o draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc1886bis-03.txt - 7 of 10
    DNS Extensions to support IP version 6 (Draft Standard)
    Token: Nordmark, Erik

    The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to be
    prepared by Erik Nordmark. The Secretariat will send a working group
    submission Protocol Action Announcement that includes the RFC Editor
    Note.

    o draft-ietf-ospf-hitless-restart-07.txt - 8 of 10
    Graceful OSPF Restart (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Zinin, Alex

    The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
    points raised by Ted Hardie.*

    o draft-ietf-webdav-ordering-protocol-09.txt - 9 of 10
    WebDAV Ordered Collections Protocol (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Hardie, Ted

    The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
    points raised by Allison Mankin.*

    o draft-ietf-avt-rtcp-report-extns-06.txt - 10 of 10
    RTP Control Protocol Extended Reports (RTCP XR) (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Mankin, Allison

    The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to be
    prepared by Jon Peterson and Allison Mankin. The Secretariat will send a
    working group submission Protocol Action Announcement that includes
    the RFC Editor Note.

    2.1.2 Returning Item

    o draft-ietf-dnsext-gss-tsig-06.txt - 1 of 7
    GSS Algorithm for TSIG (GSS-TSIG) (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Nordmark, Erik

    The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send a
    working group submission Protocol Action Announcement.

    o draft-katz-yeung-ospf-traffic-10.txt - 2 of 7
    Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF Version 2 (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Fenner, Bill

    The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
    points raised by Thomas Narten, and by Thomas Narten on behalf of IANA.*

    o draft-ietf-dnsext-ad-is-secure-06.txt - 3 of 7
    Redefinition of DNS AD bit (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Nordmark, Erik

    The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to be
    prepared by Erik Nordmark. The Secretariat will send a working group
    submission Protocol Action Announcement that includes the RFC Editor Note.

    o draft-ietf-enum-rfc2916bis-06.txt - 4 of 7
    The E.164 to URI DDDS Application (ENUM) (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Mankin, Allison

    The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
    points raised by Ted Hardie.*

    o draft-ietf-sip-scvrtdisco-04.txt - 5 of 7
    Session Initiation Protocol Extension Header Field for Service Route
    Discovery During Registration (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Mankin, Allison

    The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
    points raised by Allison Mankin on behalf of IANA.*

    o draft-ietf-magma-mld-source-07.txt - 6 of 7
    Source Address Selection for Multicast Listener Discovery Protocol (RFC
    2710) (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Nordmark, Erik

    The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send a
    working group submission Protocol Action Announcement.

    o draft-ietf-mobileip-mipv6-ha-ipsec-06.txt - 7 of 7
    Using IPsec to Protect Mobile IPv6 Signaling between Mobile Nodes and
    Home Agents (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Narten, Thomas

    The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
    points raised by Steve Bellovin and Randy Bush.*

    2.2 Individual Submissions
    2.2.1 New Item

    NONE

    2.2.2 Returning Item

    o draft-legg-ldapext-component-matching-11.txt - 1 of 1
    LDAP & X.500 Component Matching Rules (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Hardie, Ted

    The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to be
    prepared by Ted Hardie. The Secretariat will send an individual
    submission Protocol Action Announcement that includes the RFC Editor Note.

    3. Document Actions
    3.1 WG Submissions
    3.1.1 New Item

    o draft-ietf-gsmp-reqs-06.txt - 1 of 3
    Requirements For Adding Optical Support To GSMPv3 (Informational)
    Token: Wijnen, Bert

    The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to be
    prepared by Allison Mankin and Bert Wijnen. The Secretariat will send
    a working group submission Document Action Announcement that includes the
    RFC Editor Note.

    o draft-ietf-sipping-3gpp-r5-requirements-00.txt - 2 of 3
    3rd-Generation Partnership Project (3GPP) Release 5 requirements on the
    Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) (Informational)
    Token: Mankin, Allison

    The document remains under discussion by the IESG.* Allison Mankin will
    prepare a revised IESG Note.

    o draft-ietf-manet-tbrpf-09.txt - 3 of 3
    Topology Dissemination Based on Reverse-Path Forwarding (TBRPF)
    (Experimental)
    Token: Zinin, Alex

    The document remains under discussion by the IESG to address
    points raised by IANA.*

    3.1.2 Returning Item

    o draft-ietf-pkix-ipki-new-rfc2527-02.txt - 1 of 4
    Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure Certificate Policy and
    Certification Practices Framework (Informational)
    Token: Housley, Russ

    The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send
    a working group submission Document Action Announcement.

    o draft-ietf-ippm-owdp-reqs-06.txt - 2 of 4
    A One-way Active Measurement Protocol Requirements (Informational)
    Token: Mankin, Allison

    The document remains under discussion by the IESG.*

    o draft-ietf-manet-olsr-11.txt - 3 of 4
    Optimized Link State Routing Protocol (Experimental)
    Token: Zinin, Alex

    The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to
    be prepared by Alex Zinin. The Secretariat will send a working group
    submission Document Action Announcement that includes the RFC Editor
    Note.

    o draft-ietf-crisp-requirements-05.txt - 4 of 4
    Cross Registry Internet Service Protocol (CRISP) Requirements
    (Informational)
    Token: Freed, Ned

    The Document remains under discussion by the IESG.*

    3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD
    3.2.1 New Item

    o draft-savola-ipv6-127-prefixlen-04.txt - 1 of 2
    Use of /127 Prefix Length Between Routers Considered Harmful
    (Informational)
    Token: Bush, Randy

    The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send a
    n individual submission Document Action Announcement.

    o draft-siemborski-mupdate-04.txt - 2 of 2
    The MUPDATE Distributed Mailbox Database Protocol (Experimental)
    Token: Freed, Ned

    The document was deferred to the next teleconference by Ted Hardie.

    3.2.2 Returning Item

    NONE

    3.3 Individual Submissions Via RFC Editor
    3.3.1 New Item

    o draft-song-pppext-sip-support-02.txt - 1 of 1
    SIP server IPCP configuration option for PPP (Informational)
    Token: Narten, Thomas

    The IESG recommends that the RFC Editor does not publish this
    document. The Secretariat will send a "do not publish" message
    prepared by Thomas Narten to the RFC Editor.

    3.3.2 Returning Item

    o Set of three documents - 1 of 3
    - draft-sun-handle-system-11.txt
    Handle System Overview (Informational)
    - draft-sun-handle-system-def-08.txt
    Handle System Namespace and Service Definition (Informational)
    - draft-sun-handle-system-protocol-05.txt
    Handle System Protocol (ver 2.1) Specification (Informational)
    Token: Hardie, Ted

    The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing these documents.
    Ted Hardie will prepare a "no problem" message, and forward it to the
    Secretariat to send to the RFC Editor.

    o draft-bradner-pbk-frame-06.txt - 2 of 3
    A Framework for Purpose-Built Keys (PBK) (Informational)
    Token: Bellovin, Steve

    The document remains under discussion by the IESG.*

    o draft-leech-chinese-lottery-04.txt - 3 of 3
    Chinese Lottery Cryptanalysis Revisited: The Internet as Codebreaking
    Tool (Informational)
    Token: Bellovin, Steve

    The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document.
    The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC
    Editor that includes an RFC Editor Note to be prepared by Steve
    Bellovin.

    4. Working Group Actions
    4.1 WG Creation
    4.1.1 Proposed for IETF Review

    NONE

    4.1.2 Proposed for Approval

    NONE

    4.2 WG Rechartering
    4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF Review

    NONE

    4.2.2 Proposed for Approval

    NONE

    5. Working Group News We Can Use

    6. IAB News We Can Use

    7. Management Issues

    o Sunday's agenda (added by Harald Alvestrand)
    - Is 1000-1400 enough time?
    - Are the topics listed the most important ones?
    (discussed)
    o Routing Protocol overload (added by Alex Zinin)
    (discussed)

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    on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.