Minutes interim-1993-iesg-10 1993-04-08 15:30
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Minutes of the IESG Teleconferences

    IETF STEERING GROUP (IESG)

    REPORT FROM THE IETF MEETING

    April 8th, 1993

    Reported by: Greg Vaudreuil, IESG Secretary

    This report contains IESG meeting notes, positions and action items.

    These minutes were compiled by the IETF Secretariat which is supported
    by the National Science Foundation under Grant No. NCR 8820945.

    For more information please contact the IESG Secretary.
    iesg-secretary@cnri.reston.va.us.

    ATTENDEES
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    Bradner, Scott / Harvard
    Coya, Steve / CNRI
    Crocker, Dave / SGI
    Crocker, Steve / TIS
    Gross, Philip / ANS
    Hinden, Robert / SUN
    Huizer, Erik / SURFnet
    Knowles, Stev / FTP Software
    Mankin, Allison / Locus
    Reynolds, Joyce / ISI
    Rose, Marshall / DBC
    Vaudreuil, Greg / CNRI

    IAB Liason
    Christian Huitema / INRIA

    Regrets
    Chapin, Lyman / BBN
    Kahle, Brewster / WAIS
    Piscitello, Dave/ Bellcore
    Stockman, Bernard / SUNET/NORDUnet

    AGENDA
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    1. Administrivia

    o Roll Call
    o Welcome to New Area Directors
    o Bash the Agenda
    o Approval of minutes
    - March 18th

    2. Protocol Actions

    o X.400 Routing Coordination (experimental)
    o Multiprotocol over ATM AL 5 (to Proposed Standard)
    o FYI on What is the Internet? (informational)
    o FYI on Introducing the Internet (informational)

    3. Working Group Actions

    o Authentication and Access Control
    o Mail and Directory Management

    4. Tasked Items

    o RPC & NFS
    o IP Security WG Charter
    o IP Address Guidelines A/S
    o WAR with RIP
    o RIP A/S
    o Revised IPLPDN WG Charter
    o CIDR AS

    4.5. RFC Editor Actions

    o String Representation of Standard Attribute Syntax

    5. Waiting For AD Action Prior to Last Call

    o Specification of TNFS Extensions
    o Echo function for ISO 8473
    o PPP IPXCP
    o PPP NCP MIB
    o Bridge MIB
    o PPP SEC MIB
    o PPP LCP MIB
    o DNS MIB
    o IP Multicast on Token Ring
    o Network News Transfer Protocol <RFC977>

    6. The following are up for DRAFT status

    o The Finger User Information Protocol <RFC1288>
    o Telnet Linemode Option <RFC1184>
    o Transmitting IP Traffic over ARCNET Networks <RFC1201>

    7. Management Issues

    o Alignment of the Working Groups
    o Area Directorates
    o Compressing TCP/IP Headers
    o DHC
    o IFIP Email Management

    MINUTES
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    1) Administrivia

    o Welcome to New Area Directors

    Phill Gross welcomed 4 new Area Directors, Scott Bradner
    (Operational Requirements), Lyman Chapin (Standards Management),
    Brewster Kahle (Applications), Allison Mankin (Transport and
    Services) and Marshall Rose (Network Management) to the IESG. Dave
    Crocker has shifted positions to Service Applications.

    The IESG Secretary gave a brief overview of the on line files to
    assist in the management of the IESG and agreed to send a more
    comprehensive review to the IESG.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil - Send an introduction to the IESG Status Tracking
    Database to the IESG.

    o Approval of the Minutes

    The IESG Approved the Minutes of the March 18th Teleconference.

    o Next Meeting

    The IESG agreed to meet May 15th, 11:30-1:30 ET. The IESG reviewed
    and affirmed the goal/dream/fantasy of only meeting bi-weekly while
    recognizing that this was not likely to be a reality for the near
    future.

    2) Protocol Actions

    o X.400 Routing Coordination

    The Area Director review of this protocol is still underway. IESG
    review was deferred until the next meeting.

    o Multiprotocol over ATM AAL5

    The IESG completed its ballot at this meeting and approved the IP
    over ATM AAL 5 as a Proposed Standard.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce to the IETF the IESG acceptance of the IP
    over ATM protocol as a Proposed Standard.

    o What is the Internet

    The User Services Working Group reviewed the document "What is the
    Internet" and has asked that it be published as an Informational
    Document. The IESG had no objection to the publication of this
    document.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a note to the RFC editor indicating that the
    IESG has approved the "What is the Internet" document as an
    Informational Document.

    o FYI in Introduction to the Internet

    This document is a short executive overview of the Internet. It was
    reviewed by the User Services Working Group and was approved by the
    IESG for publication as an Informational Document.

    3) Working Group Actions

    o Authentication and Access Control

    The IESG is still waiting for a brief architectural statement
    describing how this working group relates to the CAT and NASREQ
    groups.

    o Mail and Directory Management

    The Mail and Directory Management group met for the second time at
    the last IETF meeting. Refinements to the charter are being
    negotiated with the proposed chairman.

    o Open Document Architecture

    At the request of the Working Group chairman, the ODA Working Group
    was concluded.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a note announcing the conclusion of the ODA
    Working Group.

    4) Tasked Items

    o RPC and NFS

    With the assignment of the NFS and RPC protocols to the new Service
    Applications Area Director, the IESG agreed to given the NFS and RPC
    protocols another 3 weeks as proposed standards until the new Area
    Director for Service Applications can come up to speed. RFCs 1094
    and 1057 are being considered for historic status as they do not
    accurately reflect current implementation and use of NFS.

    ACTION: DCrocker -- Work with Bob Hinden to get agreement from Sun to
    standardize the NFS and RPC protocols.

    o IP Security Working Group

    The IP Security Working Group is being held up waiting for an
    architectural statement identifying the problem space to be
    addressed relative to other security related Working Groups.

    o CIDR A/S

    The first pass on the CIDR Applicability Statement has been
    written. A significant issue is the necessity to reference BGP
    Version 4, a protocol still defined only in Internet Drafts and not
    yet submitted for standardization.

    o Wide Area Routing with RIP

    The Wide Area Routing with RIP document was reviewed by the Routing
    Directorate and was found to have many good ideas. Comments
    received by the directorate have been addressed by the authors. It
    is still not clear which Working Group should be tasked to review
    this specification.

    o RIP Applicability Statement

    No progress to report.

    4) Waiting for AD ACTION

    There is a significant backlog of protocols waiting for Area
    Director attention. This backlog was reviewed and is expected to be
    cleared soon with the new IESG staffing. The following tasks were
    (re)assigned among the Area Directors.

    o Specification of TNFS Extensions
    Steve Crocker
    o Echo function for ISO 8473
    Dave Piscitello
    o PPP IPXCP
    o PPP NCP MIB
    o Bridge MIB
    o PPP SEC MIB
    o PPP LCP MIB
    o DNS MIB
    Marshall Rose
    o IP Multicast on Token Ring
    Bob Hinden (Reviewed in the Mobile Host WG)
    o Network News Transfer Protocol <RFC977>
    Erik Huizer or Breswter Kahle

    5) Draft Standard Protocols Expired in Grade

    The IESG began a discussion on the specific requirements for
    advancement to Draft Standard. The IESG has taken the position that
    all options and features must be implemented and tested, but the
    exact implementation of this has not been explored in depth. There
    was a tension between the desire to make sure the protocols were
    completely implemented and tested and the understanding that
    comprehensive protocol testing was not something that is practically
    possible. The IESG agreed to add this to the agenda for a future
    teleconference.

    The IESG accepted the following protocols as protocol actions to be
    reviewed for Standard Status or continuation in the standards
    track.

    o The Finger User Information Protocol <RFC1288>

    This protocol will be reviewed by the Applications Area for
    elevation to Standard.

    o Telnet Linemode Option <RFC1184>

    The Telnet Linemode Option will be reviewed by the Applications Area
    for elevation to Standard.

    o Transmitting IP Traffic over ARCNET Networks <RFC1201>

    The IP over ARCNET specification will be reviewed for
    implementations and operational experience by the Internet Area
    Director.

    7) Management

    o Alignment or Working Groups

    With the selection of new IESG members and the creation of the
    Service Applications Area, several working groups were re-aligned.
    The IESG made the following changes from the proposed alignments
    published in the December 14th,1992 Minutes.

    - Dynamic Host Configuration will move to the Service Applications
    Area once the current work in client-to-server protocols is accepted
    by the IESG.

    - The OSI Directory Services Working Group is primarily focused on
    White Pages applications and was therefore shifted back to the
    Applications Area.

    - The MHS-DS Working Group is focused on the use of the X.500
    directory for roles similar to the current use of DNS and was
    shifted into the Service Applications Area.

    The boundaries between areas are not formally defined and are only
    loosely understood. The IESG Area Directors each took an action to
    write 1-2 page descriptions of their areas, focusing on the
    centroids of activity. It was discussed and agreed that fuzzy
    boundaries between the areas was desireable to avoid artificial
    conflicts and allow informal load balancing among Area Directors.

    ACTION: All-- Write a short description of the scope of each area with
    the intention of defining the scope of activity and identifying areas
    not covered.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Compile area descriptions and distribute to the
    IESG.

    o Area Directorates

    The IESG has long committed to forming Area Directorates for each
    area to assist in the comprehensive review of protocols, formation
    of Working Groups, advising of Working Groups, and the development
    of architecture. With the new IESG members in place, these
    directorates are being formed. There are difference in
    implementation among the Areas and ideas were shared informally on
    the specific duties and structure of the directorates.

    o Compressing TCP/IP Headers

    The IESG discussed the current state of the TCP/IP Header
    Compression draft and brought the new IESG Area Director for
    Transport up to speed. It is hoped that Dave Borman will be able to
    provide the IESG with a corrected version of the ASCII document so
    this protocol can be elevated to Draft Standard.

    ACTION: Mankin -- Contact Dave Borman and work out whatever
    arrangements are necessary to secure a new version of RFC 1144.

    o Dynamic Host Configuration

    The work on server-client portion of the Dynamic Host Configuration
    effort is hopefully complete. This effort has taken far longer than
    intended and is increasingly critical to the internet, both in terms
    of mobile host configuration and with the possibility that host
    renumbering technology may be needed for the next version of IP.

    The Internet Area will continue oversight of current client-server
    protocols and the Working Group will transition to the Service
    Applications Area for the server to server protocol.

    o IFIP Email Management

    The IFIP Email Management group has met for 3 meetings as a BOF and
    would like to continue to meet. They have proposed a Working Group
    charter to satisfy the requirements that a BOF meet only once. The
    IESG was not enthusiastic about assuming management responsibility
    for an effort which did not originate in the IETF and is largely
    complete. The IESG agreed that this group is a bit unusual and
    could meet one additional time at the Amsterdam IETF meeting.

    Appendix - Summary of Action Items Assigned

    ACTION: Vaudreuil - Send an introduction to the IESG Status Tracking
    Database to the IESG.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce to the IETF the IESG acceptance of the IP
    over ATM protocol as a Proposed Standard.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a note to the RFC editor indicating that the
    IESG has approved the "What is the Internet" document as an
    Informational Document.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a note announcing the conclusion of the ODA
    Working Group.

    ACTION: DCrocker -- Work with Bob Hinden to get agreement from Sun to
    standardize the NFS and RPC protocols.

    ACTION: All-- Write a short description of the scope of each area with
    the intention of defining the scope of activity and identifying areas
    not covered.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Compile area descriptions and distribute to the
    IESG.

    ACTION: Mankin -- Contact Dave Borman and work out whatever
    arrangements are necessary to secure a new version of RFC 1144.