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Minutes of the IESG Teleconferences

    IETF STEERING GROUP (IESG)

    REPORT FROM THE IETF MEETING

    February 8th, 1993

    Reported by: Greg Vaudreuil, IESG Secretary

    This report contains IESG meeting notes, positions and action items.

    These minutes were compiled by the IETF Secretariat which is supported
    by the National Science Foundation under Grant No. NCR 8820945.

    For more information please contact the IESG Secretary.
    iesg-secretary@cnri.reston.va.us.

    ATTENDEES
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    Borman, David / Cray Research
    Crocker, Dave / TBO
    Crocker, Steve / TIS
    Coya, Steve / CNRI
    Davin, Chuck / Bellcore
    Gross, Philip / ANS
    Hinden, Robert / SUN
    Hobby, Russ / UC-DAVIS
    Huizer, Erik / SURFnet
    Knowles, Stev / FTP Software
    Reynolds, Joyce / ISI
    Piscitello, Dave/ Bellcore
    Stockman, Bernard / SUNET/NORDUnet
    Vaudreuil, Greg / CNRI

    Regrets
    Almquist, Philip / Consultant
    Chapin, Lyman / BBN

    1) Administrivia
    o Role Call
    o Bash the Agenda
    o Approval of the Minutes
    - January 25th
    - February 1st

    2) Protocol Actions
    o Token Ring to Historic
    o Token Bus to Historic
    o Directed ARP to Experimental
    o NFS to Historic
    o RPC to Historic
    o IP Address Guidelines to Proposed Standard
    o Lightweight Directory Access Protocol to Proposed Standard
    String Representation of Attribute Syntax
    o Network Time Protocol

    3) Technical Management Issues

    o FTP (Secure) Working Group formation
    o ROAD Status Check
    o BOF Policy
    o SNMP Security
    o RIP Applicability Statement
    o Wide Area Routing with RIP

    5) Working Group Actions
    o IP Security (ipsec)
    o Integrated Directory Services (ids)
    o Training Materials

    MINUTES
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    1) Administrivia

    o Minutes

    The minutes of the January 25th meeting were approved.

    o Personnel Announcement

    Chuck Davin announced that he will be unable to continue to serve
    as the Area Director for Network Management. He felt that given the
    timing with the selection committee currently meeting to fill open
    slots that this would be the best time to step down.

    IESG members expressed their regret that Chuck would not be
    continuing with his fine service to the community as a member of the
    IESG.

    o Next Meeting

    The next IESG teleconference was scheduled for February 22nd, 11:30 ET.

    2) Protocol Actions

    o Token Ring

    A Last Call to move the Token Ring MIB to Historic was sent to the
    IETF list. A number of responses was received indicating widespread
    implementation and production use.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a new last call to elevate the Token Ring MIB to
    Draft Standard.

    o Token Bus

    There was no objection to the last call moving this MIB to
    Historic.

    o Directed ARP

    The IPLPDN Working Group was queried about the support within the
    Working Group for this proposal. The Working Group felt this was
    a specific deliverable, and is in fact one of the few listed in the
    Goals and Milestones.

    ACTION: Piscitello -- Work with George Clapp and update the IPLPDN
    Working Group charter to reflect the current specific work items.

    o NFS/ RPC

    There was no additional information to report.

    o Network Time Protocol

    The IESG reviewed the Network Time Protocol Version 3 and approved
    it for Draft Standard. It has taken the IESG time to resolve the
    numerous issues with this protocol, including the postscript-primary
    nature, determining the degree to which this is a new protocol
    beyond Version 2, and difficulty in ascertaining the community
    interest and requirement for this protocol without a Working
    Group. With an external review coordinated by Russ Hobby, the IESG was
    satisfied that the requirements for Draft Standard were met.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the IESG acceptance of the Network Time
    Protocol as a Draft Standard.

    The standards process for evolution of full standard protocols is
    not entirely clear. Many protocols can be extended by the
    definition of new options, which themselves go through the standards
    process without effecting the base protocol. Extensions are
    incremental, backward interoperable changes to the base protocol,
    possibly with negotiation, and some extensions require incompatible
    changes that are not directly interworkable requiring support of
    multiple versions. A discussion on what changes (if any) to the
    process may be needed was scheduled for a future meeting.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Schedule a discussion about the process for the
    evolution of an Internet Standard protocol.

    o Lightweight Directory Access Protocol and
    String Representation of Standard Attribute Syntax

    With Erik Huizer, the IESG determined that it was reasonable to
    consider these two documents to be a single standard. It was
    understood that the String Representation may be useful in
    additional contexts beyond use for the Lightweight Directory Access
    protocol and should remain a separate document.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the IESG acceptance of the Lightweight
    Directory Access Protocol and the String Representation of Standard
    Attribute Syntax as a Proposed Standard.

    3) Technical Management Issues

    o BOF Policy

    The IESG completed a BOF policy on the mailing list prior to the
    meeting. This policy was approved and will be announced to the
    IETF-announce list and in the Internet Monthly Report.

    ACTION: SCoya -- Announce the BOF Policy to the IETF-Announce mailing
    list.

    o Secure FTP

    Steve Crocker was not present for this discussion. The IESG accepts
    the necessity for a Working Group chartered narrowly to provide
    extensions to FTP for security. While there exists some need for
    general extensions, the IESG was not prepared to undertake a re-work
    of FTP at this time.

    ACTION: SCrocker (In absentia) -- Form Secure FTP Working Group.

    o ROAD Status

    The IESG had earlier discussed a February 15th milestone for the
    posting of test implementations of the Various New-IP protocols.
    With the responses from the IETF that an arbitrary decision is not
    warranted, the status of the specific milestones is in doubt. It
    still appears reasonable to set milestones and then offering
    feedback based on them.

    ACTION: Knowles -- Review the responses to the IESG and send a summary
    to the IESG with a draft next step statement for the IESG.

    o SNMP Security

    Steve Crocker has consulted with Marshall Rose, Chuck Davin, and Jim
    Galvin in an effort to identify the specific issues. The technical
    issues are quite muddled and it appears that the process is
    being driven hard to reach closure, possibly without considering all
    issues. What is clear is that SNMP Security is intended to be a
    central feature of SNMP Version 2. The possibility of continued
    existence of SNMP Security for SNMP Version 1 appears to have caused
    proposals for the revised SNMP Security specification to be bound to
    SNMP Version 2 in such a way as to prevent independent evolution. The
    resulting changes may have an impact in the ability of SNMP Version
    2 to scale.

    It was again noted and acknowledged by the Security Area Director
    that the SNMP Security Working Group has not scheduled a meeting for
    the Columbus IETF meeting.

    4) RFC Editor actions

    The RFC Editor received the position from the IESG that all
    standards track protocols should include a statement of patent
    considerations. The SMTP Extensions documents do not have this
    section. The IESG agreed that the patent considerations section is
    still useful but enforcement of this requirement does not make sense
    until after the revision of RFC 1310 outlines the specific
    requirements for disclosure.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Notify Postel that the inclusion of the patent
    considerations section will not be required until after the publication
    of the revision to RFC 1310.

    Appendix -- Summary of Actions Taken

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a new last call for the Token Ring MIB to
    Draft Standard.

    ACTION: Piscitello -- Work with George Clapp and update the IPLPDN
    Working Group charter to reflect the current specific work items.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the IESG acceptance of the Network Time
    Protocol as a Draft Standard.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Schedule a discussion about the process for the
    evolution of an Internet Standard protocol.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the IESG acceptance of the Lightweight
    Directory Access Protocol and the String Representation of Standard
    Attribute Syntax as a Proposed Standard.

    ACTION: SCoya -- Announce the BOF Policy to the IETF-Announce mailing
    list.

    ACTION: Knowles -- Review the responses to the IESG and send a summary
    to the IESG with a draft next step statement for the IESG.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Notify Postel that the inclusion of the patent
    considerations section will not be required until after the publication
    of the revision to RFC 1310.