Minutes interim-1992-iesg-24 1992-10-08 16:00
minutes-interim-1992-iesg-24-199210081600-00

											
Minutes of the IESG Teleconferences

    IETF STEERING GROUP (IESG)

    REPORT FROM THE TELECONFERENCE

    October 8th, 1992

    Reported by: Greg Vaudreuil, IESG Secretary

    This report contains IESG meeting notes, positions and action items.
    For more information please contact the IESG Secretary.

    ATTENDEES
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    Almquist, Philip / Consultant
    Borman, David / Cray Research
    Crocker, Dave / TBO
    Crocker, Steve / TIS
    Coya, Steve / CNRI
    Gross, Philip / ANS
    Hinden, Robert / SUN
    Hobby, Russ /UC-Davis
    Huizer, Erik / SURFnet
    Piscitello, Dave/ Bellcore
    Vaudreuil, Greg / CNRI

    Regrets
    Davin, Chuck / Bellcore
    Reynolds, Joyce / ISI
    Stockman, Bernard / SUNET/NORDUnet

    AGENDA
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    1) Administivia
    o Approval of the Minutes
    o Next IESG Teleconference

    2) Protocol Actions
    o Appletalk over PPP
    o String Representation of Distinguished Names
    o SNMP over Foo
    o Token Ring MIB
    o RIP Version 2
    o RIP Version 2 MIB
    o RIP Protocol Analysis
    o Ident/ Ident MIB

    4) Technical Management Issues

    o ROAD Activities
    o IESG Re-Organization
    o IESG Meeting Minutes
    o Working Group Tracking/Charters

    MINUTES
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    1) Administrivia

    o Approval of the minutes

    The IESG discussed and approved the minutes for the meetings of the
    September 10, 14 and 21st. The minutes of October 1st were held for
    further review. Gross noted that the minutes do reflect the IESG
    meetings, but much of the work of the IESG occurs on the mailing
    list and is not recorded. An agenda item was added to discuss
    this.

    o Next Meeting

    The next IESG meeting was set for October 19th, 12-2 ET. Plans were
    tentatively made for a face to face meeting at Interop Wednesday,
    28th for lunch at Interop. Those IESG members not in attendance
    would be linked by telephone.

    2) Protocol Actions

    o PPP LCP for Appletalk

    The IAB raised a question on the references to the APPLE ASCII
    character set referenced in the document.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Contact the author of the PPP LCP and get a
    reference for the APPLE ASCII character set for the IAB.

    o SNMP over IPX, Appletalk, OSI

    The IAB has a question about whether there is a preference for UDP
    over other protocols where UDP may be present in a multi-protocol
    segment of the network. The general policy on this was published as
    RFC 1270.

    ACTION: Piscitello -- Communicate by reference the preference for running
    SNMP over UDP if UDP is present in the local networking environment.

    o String Representation of Distinguished Name

    A new document is ready for IESG consideration. Because the changes
    are numerous, a second last call should be issued.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a second last call for the Internet Draft
    "String Representation of Distinguished Names".

    o RIP Version 2

    There was nothing to report. Efforts to conclude a review of RIP V2
    are continuing.

    o IDENT

    During IESG review of the protocol, the identification of character
    sets and the naming of a default character set were discussed. It
    is an architectural principle articulated by the IAB that ASCII be
    the default character set in the Internet, and that a mechanism for
    identification of other character sets be present wherever a text
    field is specified. Changes were identified in the IDENT documents
    and a new version is expected. The IDENT MIB deals correctly with
    this issue but requires the assignment of OID's to the character
    sets named in the MIME registry.

    ACTION: S. Crocker -- Encourage Mike St. Johns to submit a new version
    of the IDENT protocol to the Internet Drafts directory.

    3) Technical Management

    o Routing and Addressing

    A copy of the IESG plan for Routing and Addressing was posted as an
    Internet Draft. There has been some comment on the criterion as
    specified, in particular on the operational transition and security
    considerations. The IESG agreed to incorporate what little feedback
    has been received into a new version to be published as an
    Informational RFC.

    ACTION: Gross -- Send to Vaudreuil a list of changes to be made to the
    IESG Road document.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- With the changes from Gross, edit the IESG ROAD
    Plan document and send it to the RFC Editor for publication.

    The IESG plans to meet and discuss the ROAD presentations during the
    week. A lunch meeting has been scheduled for Wednesday to prepare
    for the Open Plenary. The Open Plenary will be devoted to
    discussing the various ROAD proposals. The IESG also plans to meet
    Friday morning and possibly again in the afternoon with the IAB.

    ACTION: Gross -- Contact Braden and invite the IAB to join the IESG for
    lunch on the Friday of the November IETF meeting.

    o New IESG Members / Re-alignment of Areas.

    With the departure of Noel Chiappa and Susan Estrada and the
    increased work load in the Internet and Routing Areas, the IESG has
    begun the process of re-aligning Working Groups and Areas.

    The IESG discussed re-aligning the addressing work of the Internet
    Area into the Routing and the formation of a directorate to better
    coordinate the development of IP version 7 and a new routing
    architecture. The Internet Area will continue to be responsible for
    issues of IP over FOO, and network level multi-protocol
    interworking.

    The OSI protocols in the Internet are now mature enough to be
    coordinated directly in the relevant IESG area. The IESG discussed
    moving OSI applications in the Applications area, the OSI
    Operational groups to the Operational Requirements area, and network
    level groups to the Internet Area. Under this scheme the OSI Area
    Directors would move to other areas to foster the integration of
    OSI protocols into the general Internet Infrastructure.

    ACTION: All IESG -- Examine the Working Groups in your relevant area
    and make suggestions for the re-alignment of groups to foster better
    coordination.

    The IESG is still under-staffed and Phill Gross asked the IESG to
    submit recommendations for new Area Directors. To deal with the
    work load, the IESG agreed to form Area Directorates as soon as
    possible given the re-alignment of IESG areas.

    (ED Note: These names will not appear in the final minutes)

    o John Curran was nominated from UCL for Internet Area
    o Daniel Karrenberg for Internet Area
    o Stev Knowles for Internet

    o IESG Meeting Minutes

    After reviewing the IESG minutes, Phill Gross observed that the
    minutes do not accurately reflect the full deliberations of the
    IESG. In particular, many discussions begun at an IESG
    teleconference are concluded by email and are not recorded. After
    discussion, the IESG asked Vaudreuil to prepare an appendix for the
    minutes reflecting follow up-discussions up to the next IESG
    meeting.

    POSITION: IESG minutes should reflect IESG mailing list deliberations.

    o Working Group Charters

    IETF Working Group charters are not being well updated. The
    secretariat will begin a review of the charters and will work with
    Area Directors and Working Group chairman to re-write the charters
    in the new more trackable form. In particular, there are several
    working groups which claim to be piloting various protocols, but
    there are no deliverables. These groups should have a milestone to
    report on the progress of the pilot.

    4) Working Group Actions.

    o OSI Upper-Layer Communications for Applications (skinstak)

    The charter as written is too broad and needs to be refined to
    address the specific types of protocols to be profiled for this
    treatment. The IESG is reluctant to charter a working group to
    define an general OSI profile but is willing to charter a group to
    profile OSI for Internet use.

    ACTION: Huizer -- Encourage the submission of a new charter for the
    skinstak group.

    Appendix - Action Items
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    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Contact the author of the PPP LCP and get a
    reference for the APPLE ASCII character set for the IAB.

    ACTION: Piscitello -- Communicate by reference the preference for
    running SNMP over UDP if UDP is present in the local networking
    environment.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a second last call for the Internet Draft
    "String Representation of Distinguished Names".

    ACTION: S. Crocker -- Encourage Mike St. Johns to submit a new version
    of the IDENT protocol to the Internet Drafts directory.

    ACTION: Gross -- Send to Vaudreuil a list of changes to be made to the
    IESG Road document.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- With the changes from Gross, edit the IESG ROAD
    Plan document and send it to the RFC Editor for publication.

    ACTION: Gross -- Contact Braden and invite the IAB to join the IESG for
    lunch on the Friday of the November IETF meeting.

    ACTION: All IESG -- Examine the Working Groups in your relevant area
    and make suggestions for the re-alignment of groups to foster better
    coordination.

    ACTION: Huizer -- Encourage the submission of a new charter for the
    skinstak group.

    Appendix - Positions Taken
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    POSITION: IESG minutes should reflect IESG mailing list deliberations.

    Appendix - Mailing List Follow up Discussion
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    o Re-alignment of the IESG Areas.

    The following new alignment was proposed for the OSI Area Working Groups.

    - MHS-DS (mhsds) => Applications
    - MIME-MHS Interworking (mimemhs) => Applications
    - Network OSI Operations (noop) => Operational Requirements
    - OSI Directory Services (osids) => Applications
    - X.400 Operations (x400ops) => Applications

    The following alignment was proposed for the Routing Area

    - IP over Large Public Data Networks (iplpdn) => Internet

    The following alignment was proposed for the Internet Area

    - IP Address Encapsulation (ipae) => Routing
    - P. Internet Protocol (pip) => Routing
    - TCP/UDP over CLNP-addressed Networks (tuba) => Routing