BTNS meeting notes
          
These are the minutes for the Better than nothing security (BTNS)
working group meeting, held at IETF-67 on Monday, Nov 6, 2006, in
San Diego.  Thanks to Jeffrey Altman for taking notes on which these
minutes are based.

Chair: Love Hornquist Astrand <lha@it.su.se>

* Goals for the meeting

	- Finish last items on PS/AS and WG-LC it 
	- Core documents are completed and chair will WG-LC them after
          sending PS/AS to IESG
	- Discuss the API document and decide direction, editors 
	- Update milestones

* Decisions made

	- Last call PAS and core document after meeting

* Action items

	- Revise the core documents, to be done soon after the meeting.

	- New version of the API document, given WG input

* Current work

	draft-ietf-btns-prob-and-applic-04.txt
	draft-ietf-btns-core-01.txt
	draft-ietf-btns-connection-latching-00.txt
	draft-ietf-btns-ipsec-apireq-00.txt
	draft-komu-btns-api-00.txt


* Presentation: Discussion on Applicability and Problem statement

 	Joe touch made a short presentation on the resolved issues in
 	version -04 of the pas draft.

	There are no outstanding issues on the draft and chair will
	call a WG-LC after the IETF meeting is over.

* Presentation: IPsec APIs

 	Michael Richardson made a presentation for the absent Miika
 	Komu about IPsec APIs.

	Miika proposal for an API design was using a new socket family
	PF_SHIM, this was generanlly disliked by the room.

	There was some talk about how to get more feedback from the
	application implementors. 

	David Black was looking for a speration of roles between the
	application and the api layer. So that the application can
	pass down a opaque blob that security experts have banged out
	all details on. Sam Hartman pointed out that he liked the
	idea, but it should be an abstraction and not indirection. Ie
	the blob should describe the whole policy and not just be
	somelike the the string "iscsi-ipsec-policy".

	Wayne Dickson talked about TCP vs SA synchronisation and was
	pointed to the connection latching document.

	Love will discuss the API draft with Miika Komu and how to get
	it accepted by the WG.