2.5.14 SNA NAU Services MIB (snanau)

This Working Group Did Not Meet in Washington, but Held an Interim Meeting

NOTE: This charter is a snapshot of the 40th IETF Meeting in Washington, DC. It may now be out-of-date. Last Modified: 08-Oct-97

Chair(s):

Robert Moore <remoore@us.ibm.com>

Routing Area Director(s):

Joel Halpern <jhalpern@newbridge.com>

Routing Area Advisor:

Joel Halpern <jhalpern@newbridge.com>

Mailing Lists:

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Description of Working Group:

The SNA NAU MIB Working Group is chartered to define a set of managed objects for SNA Network Accessible Units. These objects will provide the ability to monitor and control those devices, providing fault, configuration, and performance management, and will be consistent with the SNMP framework and existing SNMP standards.

The working group has completed MIBs for base SNA NAU functions, for LU Type 6.2 or APPC (Advanced Program-to-Program Communication), and for APPN (Advanced Peer-to-Peer Networking). MIBs for Dependent LU Requester (DLUR) and for HPR (High Performance Routing) are nearing completion. The working group is currently working on a MIB for APPN Extended Border Node (EBN).

The working group will make sure that its work is aligned with the SNA DLC MIB Working Group, due to the close relationship between the devices being worked on by the two groups.

Goals and Milestones:

Done

  

Begin discussion of proprietary MIBS and develop a single proposal.

Done

  

Post an Internet-Draft of the SNA NAU Services MIB.

Done

  

Submit the SNA NAU Services MIB to the IESG for consideration as a Proposed Standard.

Done

  

Post proprietary MIB modules.

Done

  

Develop and post a single proposal for structure of the MIB module.

Done

  

Meet at IETF to review proposed structure/walk through.

Done

  

Post Internet-Draft of the APPC MIB.

Done

  

Post second Internet-Draft of APPC MIB.

Done

  

Meet at IETF to review MIB (if necessary).

Done

  

Achieve consensus on the final Internet-Draft.

Done

  

Post Internet-Draft of the APPN MIB.

Done

  

Submit revised APPN MIB to as an Internet-Draft.

Done

  

Submit the APPC MIB Internet-Draft to the IESG for consideration as a Proposed Standard.

Done

  

Achieve consensus on the new SNA NAU MIB Internet-Draft.

Done

  

Post Internet-Draft of HPR MIB.

Done

  

Submit the SNA NAU MIB Internet-Draft to the IESG for consideration as a Proposed Standard.

Done

  

Submit revised HPR MIB as an Internet-Draft.

Done

  

Submit HPR MIB Internet-Draft to IESG for consideration as a Proposed Standard.

Done

  

Submit DLUR MIB to the IESG for consideration as a Proposed Standard.

Aug 97

  

Post Internet-Draft of EBN MIB.

Oct 97

  

Submit revised EBN MIB Internet-Draft.

Dec 97

  

Submit APPN MIB to IESG for consideration as a Draft Standard.

Dec 97

  

Submit APPC MIB to the IESG for consideration as a Draft Standard.

Dec 97

  

Submit EBN MIB to IESG for consideration as a Proposed Standard.

Internet-Drafts:

Request For Comments:

RFC

Status

Title

 

RFC1665

PS

Definitions of Managed Objects for SNA NAUs using SMIv2

RFC1666

PS

Definitions of Managed Objects for SNA NAUs using SMIv2

RFC2051

PS

Definitions of Managed Objects for APPC

RFC2155

PS

Definitions of Managed Objects for APPN using SMIv2

RFC2232

PS

Definitions of Managed Objects for DLUR using SMIv2

Current Meeting Report

Minutes of the SNA NAU Services MIB (sananau) and the AIW APPN MIBs SIG Joint Meeting

Interim Meeting held in Raleigh, North Carolina at AIW 15 (11/5/97). Minutes submitted by Bob Moore, IBM Networking Software.

Bob Moore chaired the meeting. The following people were present:

Bob Moore IBM remoore@us.ibm.com
Bob Clouston Cisco clouston@cisco.com
Jim Cobban Nortel jcobban@nortel.ca
Matthew Finlayson DCL mcf@datcon.co.uk
Ed Tremblay IBM tremblay@us.ibm.com
John Irwin IBM ji@vnet.ibm.com
Mike Cambria Lucent Technologies mcambria@lucent.com
Ralph Case IBM caser@us.ibm.com

There were three major items on the meeting agenda:

I. Review Randy Presuhn's comments on the Extended Border Node MIB if he got them done in time.

He didn't, so we didn't. Whenever Randy gets around to doing these, we'll address them on the mailing list.

II. Review of the HPR-IP MIB, with a goal of going to AIW closed pages status along with the base architecture for HPR-IP. We identified one change to the MIB, to bring it more into line with the APPN MIB:

We also identified an action that does not directly affect the HPR-IP MIB, but does affect the network management portion of the base HPR-IP architecture:

Bob Moore agreed to update the HPR-IP MIB module, and distribute it for a two-week review period leading up to electronic CP in the AIW. After this, Bob will work with Bob Clouston to expand the MIB module to a full Internet-Draft from the WG.

III. Look at implementation experience for the APPN MIB (we expanded this to include implementation experience for the DLUR MIB as well), and think about how we should approach the task of demonstrating interoperability of our MIB implementations, to support progression of the APPN MIB to Draft Standard status in the IETF.

We discussed several specific implementation experience items that had been posted to the mailing list prior to the meeting:

We also discussed how to demonstrate interoperability for our implementations of the APPN MIB. We agreed that it would be good to have something more than just parallel MIB walks, which would show only that we had implemented the same objects with the same syntaxes. What we really need is to examine the MIBs from APPN nodes that exist in the same APPN topology subnet, to see that the values returned by the nodes are consistent. We discussed several ways of having our different implementations in the same topology subnet:

If the AIW's Validation BOF conducts a connectivity event, then we would make sure that comparison of the MIBs in the connected nodes would be a part of it. The problem here is that the Validation BOF discussions were targeting late next spring as the earliest possible date for such an event.

Once we have implemented the new HPR-IP architecture, then (plus or minus a firewall or two!), we should be able to create an APPN topology subnet using the Internet. But this is clearly something that's not going to happen for a while. (We didn't discuss it explicitly, but it should be possible to do this *today* using DLSw. We should investigate this option further.)

Bob Clouston agreed to define a reference topology subnet, consisting of (roughly) two network nodes, one connection network, and one or two end nodes. Then each vendor could set up this network in their respective test labs, and we could compare the values returned by our respective MIB implementations. Clearly this wouldn't yield anything of significance for objects like counters, but it would be useful for the configuration objects that make up a large part of the APPN MIB.

The next planned meeting for the WG / SIG is at AIW 16, March 16-18, 1998, in Raleigh, NC.

Slides

None Received

Attendees List

Roster not received

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