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Date and time 2009-09-10 15:30
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minutes-interim-2009-iesg-17-200909101530-00
INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the September 10, 2009 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES
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Jari Arkko (Ericsson) / Internet Area
Ron Bonica (Juniper Networks) / Operations and Management Area
Ross Callon (Juniper Network) / Routing Area
Ralph Droms (Cisco) / Internet Area
Lisa Dusseault (Messaging Architects) / Applications Area
Lars Eggert (Nokia) / Transport Area
Pasi Eronen (Nokia) / Security Area
Adrian Farrel (Huawei) / Routing Area
Sandy Ginoza (ISI) / RFC Editor liaison
Russ Housley (Vigil Security, LLC) / IETF Chair, General Area
Cullen Jennings (Cisco) / Real-time App. and Infra. Area
John Leslie / Scribe
Alexey Melnikov (Isode Limited) / Applications Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Dave Oran (Cisco) / IAB Liaison
Tim Polk (NIST) / Security Area
Dan Romascanu (Avaya) / Operations and Management Area
Robert Sparks (Tekelec) / Real-time App. and Infra. Area
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Magnus Westerlund (Ericsson) / Transport Area

REGRETS
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Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA liaison
Marshall Eubanks (Multicast Tech) / Scribe
Olaf Kolkman (NLnet Labs) / IAB Chair
Ray Pelletier (ISOC) / IAD

MINUTES
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1. Administrivia

1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the August 27, 2009 Teleconference were approved.  The
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the August 27, 2009 Teleconference were
Approved.  The Secretariat will place the narrative minutes in the
public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the August 27, 2009 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions
  o draft-green-secsh-ecc-09.txt (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-12.txt (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-l3vpn-as4octet-ext-community-03.txt (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-mipshop-mos-dns-discovery-07.txt (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-end-of-lib-04.txt (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-opsawg-syslog-alarm-02.txt (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-opsawg-syslog-msg-mib-06.txt (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-opsawg-syslog-snmp-05.txt (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-ospf-hmac-sha-07.txt (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-pcn-marking-behaviour-05.txt (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-rmt-bb-lct-revised-11.txt (Proposed Standard)

1.2.2 Document Actions
  o draft-ietf-pce-p2mp-app-02.txt (Informational)
  o draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-transport-04.txt (Informational)

1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
  NONE

DELETED:
  NONE

IN PROGRESS:
  o Magnus Westerlund to draft an IESG Statement on BCP 32.
  o Lars Eggert to find someone to review the ANSI C12.22-2008 / IEEE
    P1703-2009 / MC1222 Application Layer messages over IP document.
  o Russ Housley to work with the Secretariat to come up with an
    implementation plan for tracking changes to working group charters.

NEW:
  o Lisa Dusseault to investigate the request to add a new Atom Link
    Relation type for the PubSubHubbub protocol.
  o Magnus Westerlund to find an expert for LCT Header Extensions.

2. Protocol Actions
2.1 WG Submissions
2.1.1 New Item
  o draft-ietf-16ng-ip-over-ethernet-over-802-dot-16-11.txt
    Transmission of IP over Ethernet over IEEE 802.16 Networks
    (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 9
    Token: Ralph Droms

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Jari Arkko.*

  o draft-ietf-mpls-3209-patherr-05.txt
    Node behavior upon originating and receiving Resource ReserVation
    Protocol (RSVP) Path Error message (BCP) - 2 of 9
    Token: Adrian Farrel

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Russ Housley, Tim Polk and Robert Sparks.*

  o draft-ietf-mpls-soft-preemption-18.txt
    MPLS Traffic Engineering Soft Preemption (Proposed Standard) - 3 of
    9
    Token: Adrian Farrel

The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to
be prepared by Adrian Farrel. The Secretariat will send a working group
submission Protocol Action Announcement that includes the RFC Editor
Note.

  o draft-ietf-mpls-gmpls-lsp-reroute-04.txt
    PathErr Message Triggered MPLS and GMPLS LSP Reroute (Proposed
    Standard) - 4 of 9
    Token: Adrian Farrel

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Robert Sparks.*

  o draft-ietf-dime-pmip6-03.txt
    Diameter Proxy Mobile IPv6: Mobile Access Gateway and Local
    Mobility Anchor Interaction with Diameter Server (Proposed
    Standard) - 5 of 9
    Token: Dan Romascanu

The document was deferred to the next teleconference (September 24,
2009) by Jari Arkko.

  o draft-ietf-dime-nai-routing-03.txt
    Diameter User-Name and Realm Based Request Routing Clarifications
    (Proposed Standard) - 6 of 9
    Token: Dan Romascanu

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Jari Arkko.*

  o draft-ietf-mip4-generic-notification-message-11.txt
    Generic Notification Message for Mobile IPv4 (Proposed Standard) -
    7 of 9
    Token: Jari Arkko

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Jari Arkko on behalf of IANA, Ralph Droms, Alexey
Melnikov, Tim Polk, Dan Romascanu and Robert Sparks.*

  o draft-ietf-pcn-baseline-encoding-06.txt
    Baseline Encoding and Transport of Pre-Congestion Information
    (Proposed Standard) - 8 of 9
    Token: Lars Eggert

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Russ Housley and Magnus Westerlund.*

  o draft-ietf-pwe3-segmented-pw-13.txt
    Segmented Pseudowire (Proposed Standard) - 9 of 9
    Token: Ralph Droms

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Lars Eggert, Adrian Farrel, Russ Housley on behalf of
IANA, Tim Polk and Magnus Westerlund.*

2.1.2 Returning Item
    NONE

2.2 Individual Submissions
2.2.1 New Item
  o draft-rosenberg-sip-app-media-tag-04.txt
    A Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Media Feature Tag for MIME
    Application Sub-Types (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 2
    Token: Robert Sparks

The document was approved by the IESG.  The Secretariat will send
an individual submission Protocol Action Announcement.

  o draft-dawkins-nomcom-openlist-06.txt
    Nominating Committee Process: Open Disclosure of Willing Nominees
    (BCP) - 2 of 2
    Token: Russ Housley

The document was approved by the IESG.  The Secretariat will send
an individual submission Protocol Action Announcement.

2.2.2 Returning Item
  o draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis-08.txt
    IESG Procedures for Handling of Independent and IRTF Stream
    Submissions (BCP) - 1 of 1
    Token: Jari Arkko

Russ Housley formally recused himself from the discussion.  The
document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Jari Arkko.*

3. Document Actions
3.1 WG Submissions
3.1.1 New Item
  o draft-ietf-sipping-service-identification-03.txt
    Identification of Communications Services in the Session Initiation
    Protocol (SIP) (Informational) - 1 of 4
    Token: Robert Sparks

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Russ Housley.*

  o draft-ietf-hip-nat-traversal-08.txt
    Basic HIP Extensions for Traversal of Network Address Translators
    (Experimental) - 2 of 4
    Token: Ralph Droms

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Jari Arkko.*

  o draft-ietf-eai-imap-utf8-08.txt
    IMAP Support for UTF-8 (Experimental) - 3 of 4
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Russ Housley.*

  o draft-ietf-alto-problem-statement-02.txt
    Application-Layer Traffic Optimization (ALTO) Problem Statement
    (Informational) - 4 of 4
    Token: Lisa Dusseault

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Jari Arkko and Tim Polk.*

3.1.2 Returning Item
    NONE

3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD
3.2.1 New Item
  o draft-drage-sipping-service-identification-03.txt
    A Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Extension for the
    Identification of Services (Informational) - 1 of 1
    Token: Robert Sparks

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alexey Melnikov and Tim Polk.*

3.2.2 Returning Item
    NONE

3.3 Independent Submissions Via RFC Editor
3.3.1 New Item
    NONE

3.3.2 Returning Item
  o draft-ford-behave-top-07.txt
    Unintended Consequence of two NAT deployments with Overlapping
    Address Space (Informational) - 1 of 1
    Token: Magnus Westerlund

The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document.
The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC
Editor that includes an RFC Editor Note prepared by Magnus Westerlund.

4. Working Group Actions
4.1 WG Creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF Review
  o Virtual World Region Agent Protocol (vwrap) - 1 of 1
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

The IESG approved the draft WG charter for IETF review pending edits to
the charter to be provided by Alexey Melnikov.  The Secretariat will
send a WG Review announcement, with a separate message to new-
work@ietf.org.  The Secretariat will place the WG on the agenda for the
next IESG Teleconference (September 24, 2009).

4.1.2 Proposed for Approval
  o SIP Common Log Format (sipclf) - 1 of 1
    Token: Robert Sparks

The IESG approved the charter for the new working group pending
additional text for the charter to be provided by Robert Sparks.  The
Secretariat will send a WG Action announcement.

4.2 WG Rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF Review
  o IP Flow Information Export (ipfix) - 1 of 3
    Token: Dan Romascanu

The IESG decided to proceed with IETF review of the revised charter.
The Secretariat will send a WG Review: Recharter announcement, with a
separate message to new-work@ietf.org.  The Secretariat will place the
WG on the agenda for the next IESG teleconference (September 24, 2009).

  o Security Issues in Network Event Logging (syslog) - 2 of 3
    Token: Pasi Eronen

The IESG approved the updated charter for the working group.  The
Secretariat will send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement.

  o Network Endpoint Assessment (nea) - 3 of 3
    Token: Tim Polk

The IESG decided to proceed with IETF review of the revised charter.
The Secretariat will send a WG Review: Recharter announcement, with a
separate message to new-work@ietf.org.  The Secretariat will place the
WG on the agenda for the next IESG teleconference (September 24, 2009).

4.2.2 Proposed for Approval
  o DNS Extensions (dnsext) - 1 of 1
    Token: Ralph Droms

The IESG approved the revised charter for the working group.  The
Secretariat will send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement.

5. IAB News We can use

6. Management Issue
  6.1 Appointment of Language Tag expert reviewer as per
      draft-ietf-ltru-4646bis-23 (Alexey Melnikov)

The management issue was deferred to the next IESG Teleconference
(September 24, 2009) by Alexey Melnikov.

  6.2 Link Relations Request [IANA #259813] (Michelle Cotton)

The management issue was discussed.  The discussion will continue at
the next IESG teleconference (September 24, 2009).

Action item: Lisa Dusseault to investigate the request to add a new
Atom Link Relation type for the PubSubHubbub protocol.

  6.3 Approve Mark Nottingham as secondary expert for HTTP (Lisa
      Dusseault)

The management issue was discussed.  The IESG approved Mark Nottingham
(mnot@pobox.com) as the secondary expert for the RFC 2616
(http-parameters) registry.

  6.4 Expert for LCT Header Extensions [IANA #264752] (Michelle Cotton)

The management issue was discussed.

Action item: Magnus Westerlund to find an expert for LCT Header
Extensions.

  6.5 Order of boilerplate stuff in IDs (Cullen Jennings)

The management issue was discussed.

  6.6 Disclosure (Russ Housley)

Russ Housley informed the IESG that he has been approached to take an
unpaid Board of Directors position at Stellar Switches.

7. Working Group News

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* Please see the ID Tracker
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi) for details
on documents that are under discussion by the IESG