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Date and time 1993-05-13 15:30
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minutes-interim-1993-iesg-13-199305131530-00
											
Minutes of the IESG Teleconferences

    IETF STEERING GROUP (IESG)

    REPORT FROM THE IETF MEETING

    May 13th, 1993

    Reported by: Greg Vaudreuil, IESG Secretary

    This report contains IESG meeting notes, positions and action items.

    These minutes were compiled by the IETF Secretariat which is supported
    by the National Science Foundation under Grant No. NCR 8820945.

    For more information please contact the IESG Secretary.
    iesg-secretary@cnri.reston.va.us.

    ATTENDEES
    ---------

    Bradner, Scott / Harvard
    Crocker, Dave / SGI
    Crocker, Steve / TIS
    Gross, Philip / ANS
    Hinden, Robert / SUN
    Huizer, Erik / SURFnet
    Kahle, Brewster / WAIS
    Mankin, Allison / Locus
    Reynolds, Joyce / ISI
    Piscitello, Dave/ Bellcore
    Rose, Marshall / DBC
    Vaudreuil, Greg / CNRI

    IAB Liaison
    Christian Huitema / INRIA
    Yakov Rekhter / IBM

    Regrets
    Coya, Steve / CNRI
    Chapin, Lyman / BBN
    Knowles, Stev / FTP Software
    Stockman, Bernhard / SUNET/NORDUnet

    AGENDA
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    1. Administrivia

    o Roll Call
    o Bash the Agenda
    o Approval of minutes
    - April 15th
    - April 29th

    2. Protocol Actions

    o IDS Advanced Usages of X.500 <Informational>

    3. Working Group Actions

    o Interactive Mail Access Protocol
    o IP Security Protocol
    o Authorization and Access Control
    o SNA DLC Services MIB
    o SNA NAU Services MIB
    o Interfaces MIB

    4. Management Issues

    o Conclusion of Working Groups
    o DHC -- Status check
    o Router Requirements

    5. Tasked Items - Status Check

    o RIP A/S
    o Revised IPLPDN Charter
    o CIDR Applicability Statement
    o Distributed Authentication Security Service

    6. WAITING FOR AD ACTION prior to Last Call

    o Specification of TNFS Extensions
    o IP Multicast on Token Ring
    o Network News Transfer Protocol <RFC977>
    o The Finger User Information Protocol <RFC1288>
    o Telnet Linemode Option <RFC1184>
    o Transmitting IP Traffic over ARCNET Networks <RFC1201>
    o TCP/IP Header Compression to Draft
    o MIME to Draft Standard
    o Point to Point MIBs



    MINUTES
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    1) Administrivia

    o Bash the Agenda

    Several topics were added to the agenda: Conflict of Interest,
    Procedures for the conclusion of Working Groups, and Strategies for
    encouraging reference implementations.

    o Approval of the Minutes

    The IESG approved the minutes of the April 15th and April 29th
    teleconferences.

    o Next Meeting

    The next IESG teleconference was set for May 27th.

    o Report from the IAB Meeting

    The newly seated IAB met for the first time and choose Christian
    Huitema as the IAB chairman. Yakov Rekhter will serve with Huitema
    as the IAB liaison. Huitema noted his resignation as a co-chairman
    of the SIP working group.

    The IAB meeting focused on two main points, scaling and the need to
    deploy CIDR immediately, and Security. Security continues to be a
    pressing need but there is little deployment. The roadblocks,
    global names, key distribution, and export control need to be
    addressed.

    o Announcements

    Bernhard Stockman has made official his resignation. With his
    increasing duties with Ebone he was unable to participate to the
    extent he felt necessary.

    ACTION: Gross -- Notify Jeff Case, the chair of the IAB/IESG Selection
    Committee that a replacement Operations Area Director is needed.

    2) Protocol Actions

    o Advanced Usages of X.500 document

    Approval of the IDS Advanced Usages of X.500 document was deferred
    to allow additional time for the Applications Area Directors to
    review the work.

    3) Working Group Actions

    o Interactive Mail Access Protocol

    The IESG is waiting for a revised version of the IMAP charter
    addressing the issues raised in the last teleconference.

    o IP Security o Authorization and Access Control

    These two working group charters continue to wait revision to
    clarify their relationship with other security related groups and
    the evolving security architecture.

    o SNA DLC MIB

    The IESG approved the charter for the new SNA DLC MIB Working
    Group.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the formation of the SNA DLC MIB Working
    Group to the IETF.

    o SNA NAU MIB

    The IESG approved the charter for the new SNA NAU MIB Working
    Group.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the formation of the SNA DLC MIB Working
    Group to the IETF.

    o Interfaces MIB

    The IESG approved the charter for the new Interfaces MIB Working
    Group.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the formation of the Interfaces MIB
    Working Group to the IETF.

    4) Management Issues

    o Conclusion of Working Groups.

    The IESG discussed at some length the issue of whether Working
    Groups should (a) "conclude" after submitting their work for
    Proposed Standard (and then possibly be re-instantiated" to move
    their work forward to Draft Standard and then again to full Internet
    Standard), or (b) continue to be "alive", but perhaps in a quiet or
    dormant mode until activity resumes prior to consideration for Draft
    or full Standard. It was suggested that neither model had a major
    advantage over the other for all cases. The suggestion was that
    perhaps this was yet another area where we should leave some
    flexibility in the process. In either case, it was agreed that the
    email list would remain active to handle whatever low level of
    activity that might exist.

    The IESG has a preference for "concluding" Working Groups after each
    stage in the standards process. However, the actual decision rests
    with the Area Director, who, on a case-by-case basis may elect to
    revise the charter and keep a Working Group active. This decision
    could depend on individual circumstances, like whether there is
    continuing activity on related work, or to serve a liason function.

    POSITION: After submitting work into the Internet standards track,
    and at the discretion of the Area Director, Working Groups may
    either:

    (a) "conclude" after submitting their work for standardization (and
    then possibly be "re-instantiated" to move their work forward to
    the next level), or

    (b) continue to be "alive", but perhaps in a quiet or dormant mode
    until activity resumes at Draft Standard and Standard.

    In either case, it was agreed that the email list would remain active
    to handle whatever low level of activity that might exist.

    o Reference Implementations.

    The IESG discussed the value of reference implementations. It was
    agreed that it is generally necessary for sponsors to underwrite
    such work, but that seeking funding for such projects was beyond
    the scope of the IESG.

    o Conflict of Interest/Ombudsman

    The question of conflict of interest was raised again on the IETF
    mailing list. The IESG understands this is an important issue. The
    POISED Working Group established a series of safeguards and an
    appeals process to insure that any person who feels wronged can get
    a fair hearing. The appeals process is outlined in an appendix to
    these minutes.

    o "New World Order" Documentation.

    The shift in the roles of the IAB and IESG that occurred as a result
    of the POISED work is to be documented. (Ref minutes of DC IESG)
    These documents are: a revision to 1310, the working group chairs
    guidelines, and the charter of the IETF. The first two have been
    posted as Internet Drafts. The charter of the IETF is still
    unwritten.

    ACTION: Gross, Chapin -- Write the IETF charter document.

    o Dynamic Host Configuration

    The Dynamic Host Configuration documents are still "almost" done.
    There is increasing pressure to get this protocol deployed to aid in
    the deployment of CIDR, and especially to facilitate future network
    renumbering. There continues to be discussion on editorial issues
    on the mailing list but the protocol is said to be stable.

    ACTION: Piscitello -- Contact Ralph Droms and communicate the IESGs
    strong desire for closure within two weeks.

    o Router Requirements

    The Router Requirements document continue to languish. The IESG
    expressed serious concern about the lack of concrete action. It was
    suggested that further resources may be needed to bring this effort
    to closure. Further discussion was deferred until a future
    teleconference where Stev Knowles is present.

    5) Tasked Items

    o RIP AS

    No Action to report

    o CIDR AS

    A revised version expected this weekend.

    o IPLPDN Charter

    There has been little response from the Working Group chairman. The
    Area Directors are considering concluding this working group after
    they complete the IP over ISDN encapsulation. Future work on
    solving the wide area routing work should be done in a new working
    group. Currently the Large Public Data Network routing work is
    being addressed in an ad-hoc manner in the IP over ATM working
    group. The efforts continue to search for the quick "hack" so far
    without success. Serious leadership help is needed.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil - Add a discussion on Large Public Data Network
    Routing to a future teleconference.

    o Distributed Authentication Security Service

    The IESG is waiting for a new version of the document with a
    statement of the intellectual property rights from DEC.

    APPENDIX -- IETF Appeals Process --------

    - Area level -- this includes the Working Group review and Area
    Director review. No appeal should come to the IESG before the Area
    Director has reviewed the point of contention.

    - IESG level -- If the offended party is not happy at the Area level,
    then they can bring their concern to the IESG chair and the Area
    Director for Standards Management. The IESG chair has to be in this
    loop on this. The IESG chair and the Standards Area Director will
    bring the issue before the IESG for discussion and take the resolution
    back to the parties.

    - IAB level -- If the offended party is still not happy with the
    outcome at the IESG level, then they can take their concern to the
    IAB. The exact process at this level is a bit new and unclear. They
    should contact the IAB chair for details on the process for a
    hearing.

    APPENDIX -- Action Items Taken

    ACTION: Gross -- Notify Jeff Case, the chair of the IAB/IESG Selection
    Committee that a replacement Operations Area Director is needed.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the formation of the SNA DLC MIB Working
    Group to the IETF.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the formation of the SNA DLC MIB Working
    Group to the IETF.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the formation of the Interfaces MIB
    Working Group to the IETF.

    ACTION: Gross, Chapin -- Write the IETF charter document.

    ACTION: Piscitello -- Contact Ralph Droms and communicate the IESGs
    strong desire for closure within two weeks.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil - Add a discussion on Large Public Data Network
    Routing to a future teleconference.