Minutes interim-1993-iesg-07 1993-03-01 16:30
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Minutes of the IESG Teleconferences

    IETF STEERING GROUP (IESG)

    REPORT FROM THE IETF MEETING

    March 1st, 1993

    Reported by: Greg Vaudreuil, IESG Secretary

    This report contains IESG meeting notes, positions and action items.

    These minutes were compiled by the IETF Secretariat which is supported
    by the National Science Foundation under Grant No. NCR 8820945.

    For more information please contact the IESG Secretary.
    iesg-secretary@cnri.reston.va.us.

    ATTENDEES
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    Borman, David / Cray Research
    Crocker, Steve / TIS
    Coya, Steve / CNRI
    Davin, Chuck / Bellcore
    Gross, Philip / ANS
    Hinden, Robert / SUN
    Hobby, Russ / UC-DAVIS
    Huizer, Erik / SURFnet
    Knowles, Stev / FTP Software
    Reynolds, Joyce / ISI
    Piscitello, Dave/ Bellcore
    Stockman, Bernard / SUNET/NORDUnet
    Vaudreuil, Greg / CNRI

    IAB liaison
    Chapin, Lyman / BBN

    Regrets
    Almquist, Philip / Consultant
    Crocker, Dave / SGI
    Christian Huitema / INRIA

    AGENDA
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    1) Administrivia
    o Role Call
    o Bash the Agenda
    o Approval of the Minutes
    o New PPP Working Group Chair
    o IESG Liaison to IAB

    2) Protocol Actions
    o Tools RFC
    o MIBs in Waiting
    - PPP LCP MIB
    - PPP IP NCP MIB
    - PPP Bridge MIB
    - PPP Security MIB
    - Token Bus MIB
    - Token Ring MIB

    3) Management Issues
    o Router Requirements
    o The US Domain, Farnet, and NWnet
    o SNMP Version2

    4) Working Group Actions
    o Secure FTP

    5) Tasked Items
    o NFS and RPC
    o IP Address Guidelines A/S
    o WAR with RIP
    o RIP Applicability Statement
    o IP Security Working Group
    o Summarize the ROAD Discussions
    o Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol
    o IPLPDN
    o Compressing TCP/IP Headers
    o Extensions to Generic-Interface MIB

    MINUTES
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    1) Administrivia

    o Minutes

    Approval of the minutes of the February 22nd teleconference was
    deferred.

    o Next Meeting

    The next meeting was scheduled for February 8th, 11:30 to 1:30 ET.

    o New PPP Working Group Chairman

    The IESG was notified that Fred Baker will be assuming the PPP
    Working Group chair, replacing Brian Lloyd.

    o IAB/IESG Liaison

    The IAB has chosen Christian Huitema as a second liaison person to
    the IESG. The IESG discussed possible liaisons with the IAB and
    agreed to postpone a choice until after the new IESG members are
    selected.

    2) Protocol Actions

    o NOOP Tools

    The NOOP Working Group is currently editing this document for
    re-submission as a Proposed Standard requirements document. No
    further IESG action is needed at this time.

    o Many MIBs

    Vaudreuil investigated the status of the current Network Management
    Directorate and found that most activity is conducted at quarterly
    IETF meetings. Their does not appear to be an compelling reason to
    advance the outstanding Network Management protocols without an Area
    Director. No further action will be taken until the next IETF
    meeting.

    3) Management Issues

    o SNMP Version2

    There were no specific results to report. The action item to poll
    the SNMP Version 2 participants has not been completed. The process
    by which the IESG was to ask for comments is new and the rationale
    is not well understood. Concerns centered on the role of the IESG
    in explicitly polling for comments when an open process via the
    Working Group nominally exists for expressing process objections.
    Several private comments made to each of several IESG members were
    made expressing concern about the working group process and result.
    A review of the snmpv2 working group message archive, by Dave
    Crocker, revealed some heated exchanges but no specific problems.
    There was continuing agreement by most IESG members that the "where
    there smoke there may be fire" principle required further
    investigation. Erik Huizer as a neutral IESG member volunteered to
    send the request for more information.

    ACTION: Huizer -- Send a query to the SNMPv2 and SNMP Security Mailing
    lists asking for specific comments on the process by which SNMP V2 was
    proposed and reviewed. Report back by the March 8th teleconference.

    o IESG Nomination Committee.

    The Nomination Committee is expected to have a slate of Area
    Directors ready to be approved by the IAB at the Columbus IETF
    meeting. The IESG was delighted by the prospect for a smooth
    transition and asked that the dates be changed slightly so the IAB
    could review the nominees before the IETF meeting and thus
    facilitate a smooth transition between the current and the
    replacement Area Directors throughout the week.

    ACTION: Huizer -- Relay the IESG request to have the slate of IESG
    Nominees ready in time for IAB review before the IETF meeting.

    ACTION: Chapin -- Schedule an IAB meeting to review the list of IESG
    directors for the week before the IETF meeting in anticipation of
    speedy nomination committee action.

    o Router Requirements.

    The Router Requirements documents are now over a year old and need
    to be published. Repeated inquiries to Almquist have not resulted
    in progress. The IESG agreed to offer help in editing the document
    if needed.

    ACTION: Knowles -- Offer Almquist help if needed to get the Router
    Requirements documents submitted before the next IETF meeting.

    o TCP Header Compression

    TCP Header Compression has been on the IESG plate for over eight
    months waiting for a revision from Van Jacobsen. The IESG agreed
    that the changes are sufficiently small that they could be made to
    the ASCII copy and published as a text-only Draft Standard should
    Jacobsen be unable to edit the postscript before the next IETF
    meeting.

    ACTION: Borman -- Edit the ASCII Version of the Header Compression
    document and offer to submit it as a Draft Standard if Jacobsen is
    unable to update the Postscript.

    o Working Smarter

    The IESG workload has been rising and is expected to continue to do
    do. Gross began a discussion of additional procedures and structures
    the IESG could implement to "Work Smarter, not Harder". A focus of
    the discussion was the creation of Area Directorates for each area.
    There was some disagreement on whether a directorate should be a
    formal body with named membership or a looser "kitchen cabinet" group
    of trusted advisors to the Area Director. No resolution on the model
    was reached.

    The Secretariat produces several status tracking reports. As the
    Working Group Goals and Milestone definitions have improved to enable
    more useful reporting on the status of Area Progress. These reports,
    currently available on the public ~/ftp/iesg directory will now be
    mailed on a weekly basis.

    Further discussion on this topic was scheduled for the face-to-face
    get-to-know the new Area Directors meeting at the next IETF Plenary.

    4) Working Group actions

    o FTP Security

    The question of whether the FTP Security Extensions Working Group
    should be chartered in the Applications or the Security Area depends
    both upon whether a straight forward application of CAT technology
    will suffice and the scope of other non-security enhancements
    needed.

    ACTION: Hobby, SCrocker -- Discuss the possible approaches to FTP
    Security and resolve the technical issues necessary to properly charter
    the FTP Security Working Group.

    5) Tasked Items

    Not all listed items were reviewed.

    o IP Security

    This proposed working group still needs a revision to the charter.
    It is expected before the next IESG meeting.

    General question: Do it on a case-by-case basis depending on what is
    most appropriate.

    APPENDIX -- Summary of Action Items Assigned

    ACTION: Huizer -- Send a query to the SNMPv2 and SNMP Security Mailing
    lists asking for specific comments on the process by which SNMP V2 was
    proposed and reviewed. Report back by the March 8th teleconference.

    ACTION: Huizer -- Relay the IESG request to have the slate of IESG
    Nominees ready in time for IAB review before the IETF meeting.

    ACTION: Chapin -- Schedule an IAB meeting to review the list of IESG
    directors for the week before the IETF meeting in anticipation of
    speedy nomination committee action.

    ACTION: Knowles -- Offer Almquist help if needed to get the Router
    Requirements documents submitted before the next IETF meeting.

    ACTION: Borman -- Edit the ASCII Version of the Header Compression
    document and offer to submit it as a Draft Standard if Jacobsen is
    unable to update the Postscript.

    ACTION: Hobby, SCrocker -- Discuss the possible approaches to FTP
    Security and resolve the technical issues necessary to properly charter
    the FTP Security Working Group.