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minutes-interim-1992-iesg-15-199207271600-00
    IETF STEERING GROUP (IESG)

    REPORT FROM THE TELECONFERENCE

    July 27th, 1992

    Reported by: Greg Vaudreuil, IESG Secretary

    This report contains IESG meeting notes, positions and action items.
    For more information please contact the IESG Secretary.

    iesg-secretary@nri.reston.va.us

    ATTENDEES
    ---------

    Almquist, Philip / Consultant
    Chiappa, Noel
    Crocker, Dave / TBO
    Crocker, Steve / TIS
    Coya, Steve / CNRI
    Davin, Chuck / MIT
    Gross, Philip / ANS
    Hinden, Robert / SUN
    Hobby, Russ / UC-DAVIS
    Reynolds, Joyce / ISI
    Stockman, Bernard / SUNET/NORDUnet
    Vaudreuil, Greg / CNRI

    Regrets

    Borman, David / Cray Research
    Huizer, Erik / SURFnet
    Piscitello, Dave/ Bellcore

    AGENDA
    -------
    1. Administrivia
    o IESG Membership
    o Bash the Agenda
    o Next Meeting

    2. Protocol Actions

    o Network Time Protocol
    o IP over HIPPI
    o Appletalk/PPP
    o CLNP/PPP
    o Privacy in Network Databases
    o Naming Guidelines
    o User Friendly Naming
    o OSI Transport on the TCP
    o NICNAME/WHOIS
    o TCP/IP Header Compression
    o BGP/OSPF Interactions
    o PPP Authentication
    o IDPR

    3. Technical Management Issues
    o IAB/IETF Process Working Group

    4. Working Group Actions
    o Charmib to Conclude
    o IDENT post-mortem
    o Newcomers Guide to the IETF

    Minutes
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    1) Administrivia

    o IESG membership evolution

    Susan Estrada and Noel Chiappa have indicated their desire to
    devote their resources to helping the Internet by increasing their
    commitments to specific activities and are unable to continue there
    participation on the IESG. The IESG expressed its gratitude for
    their valuable service. Phill Gross will begin the process of
    recruiting a new Operations area director to replace Estrada.

    A minor reorganization of the Internet Area will move
    responsibility for Addressing into the Routing Area. Philip
    Almquist will continue service as Internet Area Director,
    primarily responsible for router and IP over Foo protocols. Bob
    Hinden reported the formation of a Routing advisory group to help
    ensure high quality review of the routing architecture and
    protocols. Noel was recruited as the first member of the Routing
    Directorate.

    Action: Gross -- Announce the departure of Noel Chiappa and Susan
    Estrada from the IESG.

    Action: Vaudreuil -- Remove Noel Chiappa and Susan
    Estrada from the IESG mailing list and other administrative documents.

    o Agenda bashing

    Several topics were added, including a discussion of the proposed
    IAB/IETF process working group and the need for better document
    review.

    o Next meeting

    The IESG set the next meeting at 12 EDT August 10th.

    2) Protocol Actions

    o Network Time Protocol Version 3

    The IESG has received a request from Dave Mills to elevate RFC1305,
    the Network time protocol to Draft Standard status. This RFC is a
    Postscript-primary document with a substandard, virtually useless
    ASCII version. The IESG discussed the new IAB requirement that
    protocol specifications have an ASCII version of the document as
    the reference version and concluded that the NTP V3 protocol must
    have an ASCII version before it can be advanced to Draft Standard.

    Action: Vaudreuil -- Contact Dave Mills and communicate the IESG
    requirement that a reference ASCII version of the NTP protocol be
    provided before it can be advanced to Draft Standard status.

    o IP over HIPPI

    The IESG did not reviewed the document.

    ACTION: Almquist, Chiappa -- Review the IP over HIPPI document for
    technical clarity and architectural soundness.

    o Appletalk over PPP

    The IESG did not reviewed the document.

    ACTION: Almquist, Chiappa -- Review the Appletalk over PPP document for
    technical clarity and architectural soundness.

    o CLNP over PPP

    The IESG did not reviewed the document.

    ACTION: Almquist, Chiappa -- Review the CLNP over PPP document for
    technical clarity and architectural soundness.

    o Privacy and Accuracy in Network Databases

    This document was created by the NISI working group at the request
    of the IESG and the IESG Security Area director in particular. It
    is not intended to be a policy document but rather an exploration of
    issues related to public availability of NIC databases. The IESG
    discussed this document and approved it for publication as an
    Informational RFC.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Craft and send a notification to the RFC Editor
    requesting publication of the Internet Draft "Privacy and Accuracy in
    NIC Databases" as an Informational RFC.

    o Directory Naming Guidelines
    o User Friendly Naming

    IESG consideration of these two OSI X.500 related documents was
    deferred until the OSI area directors can participate.

    o OSI Transport over the TCP

    The IESG approved RFC1006 for Full Standard Status, however, the RFC
    has a number of relatively minor and non-technical errors. Because
    RFC1006 is so well know by it's RFC Number, the author felt that
    republication was excessively painful. Dave Piscitello and the RFC
    editor discussed this with the author and agreed to "silently"
    update RFC1006 in the rfc directories. Now that this has been
    completed, the IESG gave the OK to send the announcement to the
    IAB.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Confirm that RFC1006 is the version of the
    protocol the IESG intends for Standard status and then send the
    announcement to the IAB recommending RFC 1006 for Full Standard
    Status.

    o NICNAME/WHOIS

    The IESG earlier approved WHOIS for Full Standard Status pending a
    through review of the document. Upon this review and comments from
    the last call, the IESG concluded that RFC 954 was an inadequate
    specification for Full Standard Status. The document specifies
    this protocol by example and does not standardize either the query
    or the response expected. The IESG tasked the newly forming DREGS
    working group to produce a new document reflecting current
    practice.

    ACTION: Communicate to the IAB that WHOIS will remain as a Draft
    Standard until a new document can be produced better documenting this
    protocol.

    o TCP/IP Header Compression.

    A bug has been identified during the last call for the Header
    Compression document and a new feature has been defined for use
    with PPP. The IESG was unable to determine if these revelations
    would require a new document. RFC 1144 is a Postscript only RFC
    and will need an ASCII version before being elevated to Draft
    Standard.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a note to the PPP mailing list asking for
    comments on the TCP/IP Header Compression document.

    o BGP/OSPF Interactions

    The IESG notified the IAB that there were several changes to the
    document before it was approved. The IAB, which had already
    received the recommendation from the IESG had additional comments.
    These comments and the other changes suggested by the working group
    were made by the author and the document is back to the IAB for
    balloting.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Confirm that the token for the BGP/OSPF
    Interactions document is in the hands of the IAB.

    o IDPR

    The IESG is currently balloting on IDPR. A suggestion was made to
    form a review panel for IDPR similar to the one convened for BGP.
    While the IAB has not formally asked for IESG discussion, the IESG
    explored this issue and for two primary reasons concluded that an
    independent technical review was not necessary. IDPR has been
    reviewed by most people with an architectural interest in routing
    and little additional feedback is likely from such a review.
    Second, IDPR is intended to be deployed as a supplemental protocol
    in an elective basis and as such does not have nearly the same
    operational impact as BGP. BGP is intended to be the primary EGP
    for the Internet and as such the IESG required a high degree of
    confidence that it was a solid protocol.

    POSITION: IDPR does not need a technical review for Proposed Standard
    because little is likely to be learned and the protocol is not expected
    to have a severe operational impact.

    Technical Management Issues

    o IAB/IETF Interaction/Process Working Group.

    One of the proposals from the IETF Open Plenary was to create an
    open working group to explore the working relationship and
    procedures between the IAB and the IETF and make suggestions for
    improvement. The IESG discussed this effort and agreed that it was
    a good idea. It is unclear what form or direction this group
    should take, and there was strong sentiment that the formation of
    this group should be done in dialogue with the ISOC Board of
    Directors.

    ACTION: Gross -- Discuss the proposed IAB/IETF Process Working Group
    with Vint Cerf, president of the Internet Society for possible
    involvement of the ISOC board in any such group.

    o IETF Newcomers Guide.

    Discussion has begun in earnest on the IETF mailing list about the
    need for better education. Gary Malkin has volunteered to write
    the guide and has begun a mailing list for discussion. The IESG
    has requested the IETF secretariat to write a "handbook" for IETF
    and IESG operation, with a focus on the procedures to be used by a
    working group chairs. The IESG understands this to be a separate
    effort from the newcomers guide but has asked Steve Coya to work
    with Gary on this effort.

    Action: Vaudreuil -- Solicit and compile a wishlist from the IESG for
    topics to be included in a newcomers guide to the IETF.

    Working Group Actions

    o Character MIB Working Group.

    The Character MIB working group has completed their charter and
    was retired by the IESG.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the conclusion of the Character MIB
    Working Group to the IETF.